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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:18 am Reply with quote
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Just noticed the me mention of hd-5500 on http://www.pchdtv.com/. Can anybody shed some light on what this new card is and what it can do?
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:52 am Reply with quote
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hubbe wrote:
Just noticed the me mention of hd-5500 on http://www.pchdtv.com/. Can anybody shed some light on what this new card is and what it can do?


I hope they meant a 75 ohm RF input. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:30 pm Reply with quote
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You would think that they could have put a small notice here on the forum.

I found an archive of the kernel patch for the new card:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/video4linux/msg01713.html

It looks like it is using a different tuner, the LG TDVS H062F. I think it's the same tuner that the DVICO Fusion line uses.

P.S. Does this then mean that it could be used on windows PC's?

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:19 pm Reply with quote
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The 3000 can be used on windows PCs, so that wouldn't be new.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:56 pm Reply with quote
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GrepTar wrote:
The 3000 can be used on windows PCs, so that wouldn't be new.

Well, last I checked you couldn't do much with it. Has that changed?

So what's the main difference between the 5500 and the 3000? Is the tuner better? I notice a price difference, the 5500 is quite a bit cheaper than the 3000 was.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:57 am Reply with quote
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I don't know about if it has changed, but I can use it under sage tv. Just install the driver as described in the pdf and sage sees it when you start it up.

As for the differences, I would guess not much. Maybe just using less expensive components so they can make it cheaper.

I did notice that it looks like the antenna connector is sticking further out. That is a plus.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:13 am Reply with quote
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GrepTar wrote:
I don't know about if it has changed, but I can use it under sage tv. Just install the driver as described in the pdf and sage sees it when you start it up.

Interesting, and you can watch and tune HDTV with it?
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:16 am Reply with quote
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Yes.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:47 am Reply with quote
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GrepTar wrote:
Yes.

Hmm, I might try a reinstall of Windows, for some reason it says it can't load the driver or the driver's corrupted. Says it for my PVR-250 as well, although last time I booted into Windows a long, long while back they were fine. I had installed them and done the little test, but never tried an app like SageTV.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:15 pm Reply with quote
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I still have WinXP on my MythTV box, I was almost ready to reformat the drive.

I installed the drivers on the CD, following the instructions on the CD. I also have a dedicated Windows box running Beyond TV 4 with a HDTV Wonder card, so I installed BTV4 on my box with the HD-3000.

I can view live HDTV, although it is jerky. I can't watch live HDTV, with BTV4 and the HDTV Wonder, on my other box either. So that is the fault of BTV4.

Next I'll try and capture something. My Windows partition isn't very big, so it'll have to be a short show.

The new HD-5500 is only $129.00, That makes it a good buy no matter which operating system you use.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:34 pm Reply with quote
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The avermedia a180 card is $75 at newegg. I think that is a better deal.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:12 pm Reply with quote
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Will the 5500 include a low profile backplane? I don't see one in the picture.

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Tuner generations?
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:06 am Reply with quote
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So does the model number indicate the generation?

HD-2000 = 2nd generation tuner ?
HD-3000 = 3rd generation tuner ?
HD-5500 = 5.5 generation tuner ?

> LG TDVS H062F. I think it's the same tuner that the DVICO Fusion line uses.

Has anyone found a good review of the LG TDVS H062F?

Presumably a 5th generation tuner is better than a 3rd generation tuner,
but by how much, and in what areas?

More equalization available? (depression angle, antenna problems, ...)
Better at handling static multipath? (mountains, buildings, ...)
Better at handling dynamic multipath? (cars, trucks, airplanes, ...)
Better at handling interference? (other stations, FM, other electrical devices, ...)
Better at handling varying signal strength? (trees blowing in the wind, ...)
other?
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:56 am Reply with quote
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Good questions.

These would be best answered by the makers of the card.

But, it appears that they don't give a rat's ass for this forum (and the people who buy their cards?)

I see that Jack used to post when this forum was new, anyone heard from him lately? Like I said earlier, they could have at least posted a small notice in the forum about the new card.

I've made much progress on using the HD-3000 in Windows. When I have a setup working to my satisfaction, I'll post the specs. If anyone wants to try on their own, I'm using this program:

http://www.team-mediaportal.com/

It's a free open source application for Windows.

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Re: Tuner generations?
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:03 pm Reply with quote
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dieter wrote:
So does the model number indicate the generation?

HD-2000 = 2nd generation tuner ?
HD-3000 = 3rd generation tuner ?
HD-5500 = 5.5 generation tuner ?

Not the tuner in this case but the card generation.
HD2000 used a Phillips 2 input tuner that Phillips discontinued.
HD3000 used a Thompson DTT-7612
HD5500 uses a LG-TDVS-H064F (LG's 5th generation tuner)
dieter wrote:

Presumably a 5th generation tuner is better than a 3rd generation tuner,
but by how much, and in what areas?

More equalization available? (depression angle, antenna problems, ...)
Better at handling static multipath? (mountains, buildings, ...)
Better at handling dynamic multipath? (cars, trucks, airplanes, ...)
Better at handling interference? (other stations, FM, other electrical devices, ...)
Better at handling varying signal strength? (trees blowing in the wind, ...)
other?

Within the same tuner family you would expect such, however you cannot infer anything across different tuner manufacturers. They all report their specs slightly different and even have different methods for computing SNR. Therefore, comparison of tuner performance across multiple tuner manufacturers is very difficult at best.

A second generation Phillips tuner may handle multipath better than a 5th generation LG tuner (for example) but the LG tuner may have better headroom with lower noise. If your problems for reception was signal strength, you could boost the signal more with the LG (better for you) but if your issues were with multipath (downtown Manhatten) you would see better performance with the Phillips 2G tuner.

Apparently, tuner manufacturers are very protective of their specs, because an online search of LG-TDVS-H064F just returns marketing fluff from LG. I can't find a spec sheet anywhere out there on the web.

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